. really, back to the fight in new york where so many different people, barbara bush, the daughter of the former president, sports figures, all felt the need to come out and be in support of marriage and ultimately to stand on the right side of history. as those people come out, they lend to this atmosphere of inevitability. that i think has built up and built up and really nobody i think has played more of a role in that than the folks that ted ande and others have represented. >> i had a ski instructor once who said first there's the terror, then the horror, then the accident. i think a lot of people feared this. there was a lot of unclear, unknown fear. once people see it in all these states, they go, i don't feel pain because of this, this isn't bothering me, right? >> not only do they not feel any pain, but the other thing we have on our side is the passage of time. as time goes by, they see that these arguments that the opposition have made have fallen by the wayside. we were talking earlier that you can't find a consistent argument over this. >> that's what i want to get to.